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[Mags]

Don't forget to take your magnifying glass Moli!

[Moli]

Originally Posted by Mags

Don't forget to take your magnifying glass Moli!

Don't need it now Mags, got my super duper new spec's...

[Donna]

Hope this kitty wont mind the impromptu examination when next she bumps into you Moli!!

[CJK]

I'm not up to speed on " those neighbours" but i assume they let thier cats wander all over the place.
I thought siamese were like persians, house cats! shows what I kow.
thyere lovely cats too though

[Kay]

Cats usually pink up at about three weeks but quite often the colour then fades again until nearer the birth. A vet would be able to feel kittens at about 4-5 weeks but after that it is harder. Other than that the only way is ultra sound but not every vet has one and I doubt your neighbours would be bothered. I have to agree with Smudgeley, Siamese are usually very slender so it does seem probable. Let us know.

[smudgley]

Can I just make a comment on my thoughts of pregnancy diagnosis through palpatation.
Don't want to start a heated debate (& Kay - I am not disagreeing with you personally) but I have had this "conversation" many times on a popular dog forum (no not DW - the other one ) that I don't believe that any vet however experienced can palpate a cat or dog to diagnose pregnancy. I know vets say they can, but I strongly & firmly believe this is nonsense.

No offence intended, no argument wanted.

[Fran]

Originally Posted by smudgley

Can I just make a comment on my thoughts of pregnancy diagnosis through palpatation.
Don't want to start a heated debate (& Kay - I am not disagreeing with you personally) but I have had this "conversation" many times on a popular dog forum (no not DW - the other one ) that I don't believe that any vet however experienced can palpate a cat or dog to diagnose pregnancy. I know vets say they can, but I strongly & firmly believe this is nonsense.

No offence intended, no argument wanted.

I am neither agreeing with you nor disagreeing with you Smudgley but would be interested to know why you feel so strongly about this....

[smudgley]

Originally Posted by Fran

I am neither agreeing with you nor disagreeing with you Smudgley but would be interested to know why you feel so strongly about this....

OK this is why I think what I do, but I'm always interested in people's beliefs & if vets can do it then I take my hat off to them, but I think it's nonsense.
2 reasons - firstly...
as you know I work with dogs, mainly breeding bitches. Part of my job involves ultrasound scanning - I have a portable ultrasound machine - a cool piece of technology & every week I scan bitches to diagnose pregnancy. Never have I been able to feel a "string of beads" as they are supposed to feel like. OK so I'm not a vet, but the conceptuses are so tiny, really really tiny I dont believe they can be felt through the uterine horn and then muscle / skin of the abdomen.
secondly - I work alongside a Proffessor in reproduction, specialising in canine & equine reproduction. Not only does he have every book on reproduction, he wrote most of 'em Well he can't feel if a bitch is in whelp by papatation. He is totally amazing with an ultrasound machine, he can show you the internal organs of an unborn feotus, he really is an amazing person, but I figure if he can't do it - noone can.

That's my thoughts on it.

[Fran]

Fair comment Smudgley. I was just interested in your opinions. I can fully understand why you do not think it is possible...

[smudgley]

One lady on another forum has asurred me that a vet in Leamington spa can accurately palpate pregnancy & how many are in there - but it's something I have strong views on, I want it to be possible, I would love it if it were possible, but I just can't believe there is any truth in it.