People against accidental litters/casual breeding

[yola]

Accidents will always happen, so please let's not get personal . . . we all need to step back from this developing into an emotional tirrade and concentrate on what is important; the welfare of cats that are not spayed/neutered, why they are not and how CAN they be in order to stop unwanted kittens, disease and potentially agressive cats!

I don't want to see Random go because a randy old Tom got into her house, I don't want Charlie to feel belittled because her garden was invaded and her cat impregnated . . . but you both have excellent stories to tell about what CAN happen if your cat is not neutered despite all your precautions! Let's turn these around and not attack people but use them as a learning curve for those to come who may not be so well informed . . . please!

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[LucySiamese]

I dont want to see anyone leave catsey either, there are genuine accidents like random and charlie have exsperienced, but there are some people who deiberately let theire cats out to breed like my mates friend who i mentioned earlier, everyone is entitled to theire opinions but at the end of the day all we can do is give advice and try and change peoples way of thinking, not give people an ear hole bashing and put them down in front of others, it just puts people off of coming to the forum! Its supposed to be a place for animal lovers not bitching at each other

[borderdawn]

Originally Posted by LucySiamese

I dont want to see anyone leave catsey either, there are genuine accidents like random and charlie have exsperienced, but there are some people who deiberately let theire cats out to breed like my mates friend who i mentioned earlier, everyone is entitled to theire opinions but at the end of the day all we can do is give advice and try and change peoples way of thinking, not give people an ear hole bashing and put them down in front of others, it just puts people off of coming to the forum! Its supposed to be a place for animal lovers not bitching at each other

Youre right Lucy, thats exactly what its SUPPOSED to be!

[borderdawn]

I make absolutely NO excuses nor apologies for what I have said its the total and complete truth. I do not buy accidents on this scale, and I will not dress the situation up and make it into something it isnt. Just go read the amount of "accidental" liters on this site in the last 6 months, then come back here and tell me they were all genuine accidents, they were not.

I dont wish to offend anyone personally, and my apologies to anyone who may think otherwise, but we are discussing this now, and when these things are posted on a public forum and met with "oh well, its done" and "oh more kittens yay!" it sends a disturbing message to those genuinely concerned with cat welfare, I dont think this forum should be seen promoting it, do any of you?

I just keep looking at my own Cats and wondering how difficult it really is, to keep your cats inside or at least safe in your own garden? They mean the world to me, It cost me about £60 and half a days effort to ensure the safety of my Cats, I guess others may see that as too much, I dont know, I just cant get my head round all this I really cant, which is why I havent posted in ages, it was getting me down, and coupled with emails from people who were equally concerned by it all, I just stopped looking, it wasnt untill regular posters on here told me about the latest litter, I looked again, I wished I hadnt but the same old, "go on, tell everybody" "whats done is done" attitude struck again and more moggy kittens are on the way, im so thoroughly upset by it all.
Dawn.

[alexgirl73]

I just wanted to add in my 2p worth before I toddle off! I had a PM from another member who felt that Luke was being unfairly picked on, as there have been other accidental litters over the last wee while. Yes there have been, but the difference is this. Those that took place had owners who had TRIED to prevent these from happening! The difference in Lukes case was simply that he knowingly let an unneutered female outside!! I have no idea what his personal circumstances were, and I'm sure he has had problems of late BUT that is no reason for Bella to suffer! Yes the kittens will be loved and have good homes, but in my branch of the CPL alone we have 67 kittens looking for homes!!!! Plus the adult cats and the ones on a waiting list to come in when space (ha ha) appears!!
Rescues up and down the country are overflowing, and in my honest opinion, to deliberately let your cat run the risk of pregnancy is abuse of that animal and a deliberate snub to those who work damn hard for cats welfare. This was a lovely, friendly forum to be a part of, but I'm not going to sit here and say nothing as I feel that is condoning the situation poor Bella now finds herself in.

I applaud those who are now trying to come up with ideas to get the message across, but tbh folks, there are some people you will never get that message across to!! Howeer, I wish you every success with your efforts!

[LucySiamese]

I really think you may as well bash your head against a brick wall to try and put a stop to ignorent people deliberately breeding moggies, its just the same with puppy farms it really upsets me, ive reported loads of puppy dealers in kent and helped towards getting them shut down!

I think anyone that says they have had an accidental litter should keep the kittens until they are neutered then home them rather than selling them for 50 quid to more ignorent people that will let them out to breed! Or like i said earlier give the litter to the rspca and they will spey the cat for free.

[charliebubs]

Originally Posted by borderdawn

I make absolutely NO excuses nor apologies for what I have said its the total and complete truth. I do not buy accidents on this scale, and I will not dress the situation up and make it into something it isnt. Just go read the amount of "accidental" liters on this site in the last 6 months, then come back here and tell me they were all genuine accidents, they were not.

I dont wish to offend anyone personally, and my apologies to anyone who may think otherwise, but we are discussing this now, and when these things are posted on a public forum and met with "oh well, its done" and "oh more kittens yay!" it sends a disturbing message to those genuinely concerned with cat welfare, I dont think this forum should be seen promoting it, do any of you?

I just keep looking at my own Cats and wondering how difficult it really is, to keep your cats inside or at least safe in your own garden? They mean the world to me, It cost me about £60 and half a days effort to ensure the safety of my Cats, I guess others may see that as too much, I dont know, I just cant get my head round all this I really cant, which is why I havent posted in ages, it was getting me down, and coupled with emails from people who were equally concerned by it all, I just stopped looking, it wasnt untill regular posters on here told me about the latest litter, I looked again, I wished I hadnt but the same old, "go on, tell everybody" "whats done is done" attitude struck again and more moggy kittens are on the way, im so thoroughly upset by it all.
Dawn.

I just want to respond to this Dawn. I know that you're not picking on anyone in particular but I think it's unfair to say that people on here don't do all they can to keep their cats safe..............okay, maybe some don't, but the majority of us do.

My cats mean the world to me too - they are my babies and what I come home to at the end of every day.

I spend a huge amount of money on my cats - more than I should really and if it came down to it, I would go without so that they could have what they need.

I spent more than £250 cat-proofing my garden and making the effort to keep them safe and protected, and have just done the same in my new house. It didn't prevent the accident though and Lily got pregnant. I know that you will say that I should have done more, or should have kept her inside, and perhaps I should but she was 14 months old and had never called and I thought it was safe.

I know how strongly you feel about the issue and we all value your opinion and straight-talking - but I think it's unfair to imply that we don't all care about our cats.

[borderdawn]

Fair point Charlie, but I still think its fairly easy to keep a Cat secure, if Lily was kept indoors, and your catflap locked (my friend used a piece of wood inside and out which threaded through 2 brackets to stop it being opened) then she wouldnt of got pregnant, and of course you could of had the kittens aborted, it was early enough when you knew, you chose not to because you wanted to breed from the cat again at a later date, and this option meant you stood a much better chance of that.

I dont mean to imply that nobody cares for their Cats, of course they do, I just saying IMO they didnt do enough to ensure their Cats were safe.

I have just had a quick peek at the first edition of the evening paper, 6 litters for sale, all moggies, 2 of them also say the mother is available too, 4 of them say "beautiful accidents" or words to that effect, it sickens and upsets me greatly.

I KNOW you love your Cats Charlie, I do.
Dawn.

[Soupie]

To be honest as a fairly new member the site does not condone irresponsible breeding at all. Just because support has been given to members who find themselves with an accidental litter on their hands it doesn't mean the whole forum actively support irresponsible breeding There is a big difference between actively advocating something and supporting someone who finds themselves in a situation.

I find it incredibly judgemental of you Dawn to say that those litters which people say have been accidental are not accidental. It's very easy to say they could have been prevented but you are not that person in that situation and when all is said and done this is an internet forum and how much do we really know about peoples circumstances?

I also think it is impossible for you to categorically say what the perception of this forum is based on a few people's opinions. You are entitled to your own opinion of course but I can see how people might be upset by your comments on here.

I think an article would be a very good idea as an educational tool for people out there who browse on here and for new members. I expect that there are plenty of new members on here who are just getting their first cat or want to go into breeding - an informative article would be a useful way to get information across about irresponsible breeding without ramming it down peoples throats

[borderdawn]

Originally Posted by Soupie

To be honest as a fairly new member the site does not condone irresponsible breeding at all. Just because support has been given to members who find themselves with an accidental litter on their hands it doesn't mean the whole forum actively support irresponsible breeding There is a big difference between actively advocating something and supporting someone who finds themselves in a situation.

I find it incredibly judgemental of you Dawn to say that those litters which people say have been accidental are not accidental. It's very easy to say they could have been prevented but you are not that person in that situation and when all is said and done this is an internet forum and how much do we really know about peoples circumstances?

I also think it is impossible for you to categorically say what the perception of this forum is based on a few people's opinions. You are entitled to your own opinion of course but I can see how people might be upset by your comments on here.

I think an article would be a very good idea as an educational tool for people out there who browse on here and for new members. I expect that there are plenty of new members on here who are just getting their first cat or want to go into breeding - an informative article would be a useful way to get information across about irresponsible breeding without ramming it down peoples throats

Then explain to me why this forum sees a lot of new members but the majority never stay? You may also wish to look at other forums and varify what I say about the post numbers etc.. being true.

You can think what you like, I dont care, I care more about the poor cats, its those that are suffering, not peoples ego's! I think you are very naive to believe that supposed experienced pet owners can have such accidents!