People against accidental litters/casual breeding

[babycakes]

Here here Soupie.

I think if I had come on to join this site today I would be well put off!!! We are not talking about some careless person in the street who got their kid a kitten and did nothing more for it are we? and we know who these people are there are hundreds of them. I know because I actively have these cats and other animals taken away from such families as I do their children when deemed necessary. But then I educate people on owning animals as I do on children.
There are hundreds of people out there having kids and getting it so wrong however what do we do? neuter them all? take all the children away? no we educate people on how to care for their offspring so as the same mistakes cannot be made again. (We are only as good as our trainers). We are all learning and those of us who are making conscious efforts and trying really hard should not be placed in the same category as those who are not.

I think if we follow the suggestions and brilliant ideas that are being made in light of this then we can attempt to make a difference and then and only then can we assess whether it was useful or not.

[borderdawn]

Originally Posted by babycakes

Here here Soupie.

I think if I had come on to join this site today I would be well put off!!! We are not talking about some careless person in the street who got their kid a kitten and did nothing more for it are we? and we know who these people are there are hundreds of them. I know because I actively have these cats and other animals taken away from such families as I do their children when deemed necessary. But then I educate people on owning animals as I do on children.
There are hundreds of people out there having kids and getting it so wrong however what do we do? neuter them all? take all the children away? no we educate people on how to care for their offspring so as the same mistakes cannot be made again. (We are only as good as our trainers). We are all learning and those of us who are making conscious efforts and trying really hard should not be placed in the same category as those who are not.

I think if we follow the suggestions and brilliant ideas that are being made in light of this then we can attempt to make a difference and then and only then can we assess whether it was useful or not.

Thats a very good point, we are talking about regular posters on a Cat forum who are experienced pet owners, allowing their moggy in most cases "baby" Cats to get pregnant by the first Tom that comes along, that stands a fair chance of being infected with lethal diseases that could kill it, the mother and all the kittens, and they are being met with "ahhh more kittens, how fab!" yes good point Babycakes.
Dawn.

[babycakes]

Maybe your right they did do it on purpose. But I think unless we move on from the subject we can keeping calling people and expressing our disappointment until the cows some home.
Yes your upset we all are, but you are making other people upset now too. You have made your point and it is clearly a very good and valid one but surely we need to go back to educating rather than condoning

[borderdawn]

Originally Posted by babycakes

Maybe your right they did do it on purpose. But I think unless we move on from the subject we can keeping calling people and expressing our disappointment until the cows some home.
Yes your upset we all are, but you are making other people upset now too. You have made your point and it is clearly a very good and valid one but surely we need to go back to educating rather than condoning

I completely agree we should NEVER of been condoning, and i never have, but its the fact it has and is being condoned that the site is suffering. As I have said and I will say again, I have no wish to personally attack anyone and I don not doubt for one second that the people on here care for their cats, but while we are on Catsey thats what we are discussing.

I am happy to help with anything that will stop this, but given that the "accidental" litters on here are ALL from experienced pet owners, do you think we can achieve anything, while you get the "oooohh aaahhh" comments and "oh dont worry, its done" attitude?
Dawn.

[babycakes]

Check out the other site titled 'any idea?' you may be able to provide some vital information that will help to support this issue

[Jac]

Firstly, Catsey is the only cat site I come on. The other's I don't care for. I was/am a member of Dogsey. I left a long time ago as it was getting far too big. I think the article SB wrote was fantastic. She was a lovely lady and very informative and helpful.
If we can copy this but change the statistics to cats wonderful.

May I also put my 2p worth in. I chose to buy two ragdolls, therefor took away two homes from moggies. Is that what your saying?
YES there are some accident litters, we have proof here on the forum. If these people pass on what happened to them it may make someone shut a window or stay in the garden. Fact is accidents happen.
I for one would much rather a person felt safe enough to come forward and say....help this is what has happened than sit worrying not knowing where to turn or what to do.
I also do not want anyone to leave because they have had a litter that was a genuine accident.
There are some that just want a litter and say it was an accident. These people we have to educate. Never will we stop accidents but even if one person thinks about it then hey that's progress.
I dont believe in a lot of things, there again I don't ram them down people's throats either. However thoes who add to the ferral population or breed just for the sake of it. Well that's another story.

Catsey is a small happy (most of the time) place to be. We can talk about anything not only our Cats. Please lets keep it this way.

[Rosie]

I do not agree with the amount of cats being borne but I also don't agree with the amount of cats/dogs being bred and the amount of money breeders make from their cats/dogs. If you go on to any of the sites such as Loot there are literally thousands of dogs/cats which are pedigree bred what about putting restrictions on those. I am not saying there are not some responsible breeders but I personally know some (more in the dog world) who breed purely for money to me that is just as bad and just as irresponsible.

[babycakes]

I was trying to make this point earlier. It seems that only overbreeding, unwanted litters and spreading of diseases only goes on in moggies. I know it's more common in moggies but it does go on in pedigrees and it doesn't make it ok to only condemn the owners of moggies

[borderdawn]

Originally Posted by babycakes

I was trying to make this point earlier. It seems that only overbreeding, unwanted litters and spreading of diseases only goes on in moggies. I know it's more common in moggies but it does go on in pedigrees and it doesn't make it ok to only condemn the owners of moggies

Again I agree with you Babycakes, there are plenty of pedigree cat breeders that just produce kittens for the sake of it, in fact its commonplace, its more rare for a Cat breeder NOT to keep anything they have bred than if it were a dog, I find this just displays the typical, "breeding to supply the pet market" to be apparent for the most part. Of course there are always going to be genuine people that breed only because they want another themselves, and to keep their line going and to show another, these, at least to me are the genuine breeders who are really concerned about their breed and will not breed solely for the reason of profit, as it does not benefit a Cat to be bred from, so why else is it done? it just succeeds in flooding the pet market.
Dawn.

[Kim]

I think we have to be realistic here. Accidents DO happen, it wasn't Random's fault that a randy Tom got into her house and made her cat pregnant, at least she was responsible abut it. I think there is a big difference between Random and the vast amounts of people who purposely let their cats have litters without the slightest thought of neutering and welfare. These are the people we need to be educating. Az's article is a good idea, even it it makes just 1 person think twice.

I have made my thoughts & feelings known here before. I do not agree with breeding of moggies at all. I was a volunteer at an Animal Sanctuary for many years and have seen first hand how many unwanted cats & kittens there are, to purposely add to the number is irresponsible in my opinion. Even if you can find homes for the kittens, wouldn't it have been better if that home had a kitten from the CP or rescue? I don't believe we will ever 'run out' of moggies either!

For what it's worth I'm sorry but I don't agree with what Luke did either.