Cj ---

[Booktigger]

I personally would abort and spay - I don't think it is fair on her to go through a pregnancy, I think it would be fairer to let her get built up, kittens take so much out of a healthy mum anyway - and however poor condition mum is in, nutrients go to the kittens first (and there really are enough cats needing homes). The other thing you have to worry about is Mr D being unneutered - males can still produce sperm up to 6 weeks after being done, and females can come into heat a week after giving birth - would you be able to seperate them to make sure they wont be able to get up to anything? The people who you got her off are very irresponsible rehoming an unneutered female as well.

[Emm]

I don't know anything about pregnant cats but if its possible to abort at 20 days - (like I said I have no idea how long a cat is pregnant for so I don't know how far gone that is) - I think thats the option I would be taking unless I was going to re-home all the kittens myself. I'm not very trusting of other people and a kitten is such a big responsibility and finding homes for them an even bigger responsibility - just my opinion

[Emm]

I just wish it would become compulsory (sp?) to have to spay or neuter your pet - that way these poor animals won't find themselves in these situations

[smudgley]

Originally Posted by Emm

I don't know anything about pregnant cats but if its possible to abort at 20 days - (like I said I have no idea how long a cat is pregnant for so I don't know how far gone that is) - I think thats the option I would be taking unless I was going to re-home all the kittens myself. I'm not very trusting of other people and a kitten is such a big responsibility and finding homes for them an even bigger responsibility - just my opinion

It is possible to spay a pregnant cat safely & end an unwanted pregnancy. 20 days is very early to diagnose pregnancy & vets a will spay a pregnant female much later than this.

[Emm]

ah right thanks for the info - I know what I would be doing then

[smudgley]

I think I am going to perch well & trully on the fence here!

Part of me is saying they are not even the size of your thumb nail & will be basically a fluid filled sac at this stage, they will have no bone development at all yet.

Part of me is saying, now they have been conceived, rightly or wrongly - they are here & we should bring them into the world in the best possible way.

If I really had to decide.....If she were mine - (rescue cat or my own cat) I would have to let her continue with the pregnancy & rear the kittens.

Anyway whatever happens - I'm sure we will all support CJ & help her with whatever advise we can.

[Emm]

Anyway whatever happens - I'm sure we will all support CJ & help her with whatever advise we can.

absolutley - thats what we are all here for!

[dandysmom]

Absolutely!! Amen to that!!We are family!!

[dinahsmum]

Amen to the preceding posts.

So much so that I woke at 4.30 wondering 'didn't PF have flea treatment a week or so ago? Will that be harmful?' So, have scrutinised my bottle of Frontline, which says there are no reports of damage to offspring of pregnant mammals. Did you use Frontline? Or one of those fearsome 'drops on back of neck' products? Best check it out.

Goodness - you can't say you're short of advice.............you'll soon be telling us to shaddup!

[CJK]

I have hardly slept last night thinking about everything that's been said.

I must say I got really upset over it all, NOT the comments made,just the whole situation.

I do agree she should have been spayed. I had no idea she was pregnant, if you remmeber when i got her i said I was told she was speyed.
I rather think previous people had an inckling she was prengant hence the sale.

I do not believe in abortion in humans unless under extreme circumstances, thats just my personal belief. so i cant condone it now, myself!

I fully understand and accept that we all have our own personal opinions and beliefs and this COULD be an extremely controversial issue.

Yes MR D WILL be kept seperate from Princess, that's no problem at all. My brother is lending me a large cat/dog crate, for princess for the birth OR for MR D after his op, for nights.
HE goes in march 14th i think ( will check the date in a minute) so hopefully there wont be any problems after she has her kittens.

YES....you can see i said after she has them....

I KNOW there are many cats in shelters etc, and i fully agree she should NOT have got to two and not be spayed, but she has, and IS, so i have to make the best of it, use my judgenment on finding only the best homes for the kittens, and do my best for princess now.

She has GOOD food, and lots of love, and i am sure she can get through this with my support.

I know it wont be easy, but I also know i CAN cope with this, and will do everything possible to help her.

I will be truthfull and say i DID discuss "emergancy" speying with the vet yesterday, discussed it in length, but Iam horrified of the idea of it, he did explain the risks are higher speying while pregnant and in her condition, although he said she isnt as bad as some cats he has seen. But he has told me there are vets in the company who will spey at anytime, and some who will only do it early on.

I HAVE given it a lot of consideration over night and feel it is something I am not able to do, according to my personal beliefs.

And you just KNOW i'm gonna keep at least one of the kittens!!! (neutered asap of course!!!)

I am trying to find a vet that will spey/neuter early so i can possibly get all the kittens done BEFORE re-homing them, if not am going to try and offer a neutering voucher.

Also going to plan a questionnaire, but thought i'd talk to people face to face and ask the questions, and have a kitten contract saying they are to be neuteres as early as possible, and if they cant be kept at whatever age for whatever reason, they come back to me.

I know that doesnt guarantee a happy life for them, but it will help.
Also decided to ask for potential owners name and address PRIOR to sale so i can check out they live there or not.

All of this is aimed to put off any unsuitable buyers, I HOPE.

Fisrtly i'll ask people I know if they want a kitten, next I'lla sk them to ask people I know, all esle failing will "Sell" them.

Any moeny raised from their sale will get princess neutered and buy a nice supply of top quality food for her to continue her good health.

Have also decide a percentage of the sale moeny will be donated to a cat charity or shelter.

So, that's my personal opinion, and can i politely say ( and please dont think I am getting on my high horse here) that we leave it at that, I really dont want to upset anybody at all, I am doing what i feel best for the cat, and I would like to ask people respect that is my personal opinion /decsision.

Obviously I DO really value all opinions, advice, support etc, but like i said I really dont want to cause a heated discussion etc.
The previous owners are idiots to let this happen, I wont repeat this mistake in future.

i hope this has come out sounding the way i wanted!
I understand everybody is going to have a difference of opinion on this one, that's life. maybe we'll be lucky and she will only have one or two kittens, and then I can get hubby to buy me a big house and keep them all!!!
NOw wouldnt that be nice!!!!


but seriously thank you all for your input on this, i have given it all a lot of carfeull consideration, and just because I am not doing what some have suggested doesnt mean i havent read it and taken it on board.