Moggies... is it ever right to breed them?

[Kazz]

Originally Posted by bobbie3917

this coming from the young lad that is posting ads looking for a stud for his Cross breed cat?

It is unfair to throw these things back in people's faces. I thought more of you, especially when you obviously do not have all the facts.

Edited to say I would not intervene in this way with the majority of people here however.....
(And Yes Luke your age is going to be mentioned again this time by me). Please remember Luke is a youngster/teenager and as such is still making up his mind on certain issues and in doing so he may appear to be undecisive, so please bear this in mind remember when you were young?. I would post the same with regard to Tom, Luke or any youngster who posts here.

We are after all a community.

[Donna]

I hate these threads. Can we have a ban on discussing the rights and wrongs of moggies having kittens?

[candyshandy]

Certain issues are difficult to debate but that doesn't mean people should be 'gagged'. Debates bring new information forward about key issues and are important and educational.

[Booktigger]

I agree with CS, people can learn lots of things from debates like this so as long as people dont get nasty, I don't see a prob with them.

[Kazz]

Originally Posted by candyshandy

Certain issues are difficult to debate but that doesn't mean people should be 'gagged'. Debates bring new information forward about key issues and are important and educational.

I agree however its when these issues start to be personal that the trouble starts. Debate is good; getting to personal is not good debating, but an argument.

I think everyone is entitled to hold and voice and opinion as long as it is not spoken/written in a way that causes other people discomfort, this is a community not a warzone.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by candyshandy

Certain issues are difficult to debate but that doesn't mean people should be 'gagged'. Debates bring new information forward about key issues and are important and educational.

I agree with you on this.

When I read everyone's responses on the photo thread about a purposeful litter of kitens, I admit I felt very despondent. I think my earlier post was rather hasty as I was so upset & frustrated by the responses that I just wanted to leave CP. For many years I have actively encouraged, as best I can, the value of neutering and helped 'pick up the pieces' of unwanted litters. I have come away from helping at the rescue centre in tears of sadness and frustration at some people's irresponsibility. This will always be a difficult issue and one that is very emotive. However, I have followed this thread through and on the whole I feel that yes, we are all agreeing that neutering is the responsible thing to do.

I would hate it if we were unable to get moggys as I love them. You all know Sidney, my disabled cat, possibly disabled because of interbreeding??? who knows, but I do know that my life is happier with him in it. However, I really do not think that we will ever run out of moggies! Like Kazz said, it would be great if we reached a stage when at least every cat had a good, loving home. Rescue centres are overun with cats & kittens and I would be happy if we could at least drastically reduce that number. Our rescue centre often has to say no when a phone call comes in asking if we can take on yet another cat. We have a cattery full of ferals, some of them I am convinced were once pets, but just left to their own devices. Most are not re-homeable and therefore means we have so say no to other needy cats. More than once we have had people bring in cats because they thought they were cute as kittens, but have lost their appeal. A really common excuse is that "we are having a baby and so can't keep the cat"!!!!

Luke, good luck with Elsa, sounds as if you have done wonders with her and I'm pleased to hear that you think neutering is the way forward for her.

[Emm]

I think we should really be discussing why are so many people so willing to get rid of animals.

We seem to live in such a throw away society with most people burying their heads in the sand regarding the consequences.

When I take on an animal I make a silent promise to myself that I will look after that animal for the rest of his/her life - even if that means that it disrupts my life.

Tippy Toes was incredibly difficult to look after she had a lot of pyschological problems - but we worked with her right to the end and she died with us knowing what love is.

Barney (dog) is incredibly difficult to look after he has really bad seperation anxiety and also has health problems - he might need to get a double hip replacement at some time.

But nothing in this world would make me give him up - or when Tippy Toes was alive nothing would have made me give her up.

[Fran]

Originally Posted by Kim

When I read everyone's responses on the photo thread about a purposeful litter of kitens, I admit I felt very despondent. I think my earlier post was rather hasty as I was so upset & frustrated by the responses that I just wanted to leave CP. For many years I have actively encouraged, as best I can, the value of neutering and helped 'pick up the pieces' of unwanted litters.

I wasn't going to reply on this thread as tbh I am sick and tired of hearing the same old stories and high and mighty opinions.

The litters you are reading about on CP are very much 'wanted' litters there will be no pieces to pick up for you to worry yourself about Kim.

My kittens are all very much wanted, the new mummies and daddies have wanted /waited months for a grey kitten, just like I have been waiting months for show quality Siamese! My kittens are loved, raised in my living room as you can see from my photos. They are all healthy, flead, wormed and are being vet checked next week.. The parents are innoculated, wormed and flead regularly and have fabulous temperaments. Mum was properly cared for during pregnancy and I helped her and was with her the whole time during delivery of the kittens. My kittens are well integrated and socialised and are now weaned and litter trained. They will all go with 6 weeks free insurance, I offer a lifetime back up for new owners just as I do for my puppies and I would always take one of my kittens back at whatever age just the same as I would my pedigree puppies. I am sick and tired of being 'attacked' It is my choice whether I neuter my pets or not, not yours or anyone else's on here. I do not actively promote the breeding of any animal as Luke will tell you when he asked my advice re Elsa. I take the breeding of my animals seriously whether it be Pedigree dogs or moggie cats. If you do not agree with what I do then you do not have to read my threads. As I said before in a previous thread..

'If you can't find something nice to say, then it is better to say nothing at all'

[Donna]

Originally Posted by Emm

When I take on an animal I make a silent promise to myself that I will look after that animal for the rest of his/her life - even if that means that it disrupts my life..

This is what everybody here on CP no doubt would agree with. I too would never in a million years "get rid" of my two cats and bunny just because I was bored with them, or they got in the way, or they didnt fit into my life anymore.

They are part of my life. Always will be.

Agree this is the way forward with animal ownership. But how can we make the rest of the country feel the same way

[bobbie3917]

Originally Posted by Luke

HOWEVER Elsa has chosen the life she is happy with and thats coming and going as she pleases..and in order for her to live this way she will be getting speyed ASAP for all of those out theres information

THANKS GREAT NEWS

Originally Posted by Luke

Also, the adds were old,

and there not that old
Advertiser's status: trade . Ad type: wanted . Date: 07-03-2006

3 months is not that old Luke